New risk. Will sailing lead to lifetime prison sentence?

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8 responses to “New risk. Will sailing lead to lifetime prison sentence?”

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   Jocko

   July 7, 2021

   I came here for the Major boat Refit, but now it,s a Political Blog.

   Ok I’ll bite. You say “This is one of a number of attacks on democracy”

   I am not a Britisher so please explain how a regulation put in place by a Democratically elected government to enforce their border security is an Attack on Democracy.

   I am assuming that people are trying to enter that country illegally, by bypassing the regular entry points and official border crossings.

   Surely every country whether democratic, socialist, communist or whatever must be able to exercise control of their borders.

   You yourself, I assume live in a house. You want control of who enters your house.

   Your house has Walls, and fences, and perhaps doors and windows, and lockable gates out front.

   If I come to your house and climb over your locked Gate, scale the lattice and climb into your second story open window you would protest, or push the intruder off the ledge. However, if I knocked on your front door during daylight hours, and asked if I could come In to compliment t you on your lovely boat, then you may grant me entry or not, as you see fit.

   A country is like your house in that respect. They have borders which are walls, and if I sail to merry old England, I cannot legally just waltz into your country as I see fit, without asking for permission to do so, by essentially Knocking and asking permission.

   Now if you would like to circulate a petition to the United Nations, that all border be abolished, so that those who travel In boats upon the Sea, should be able to just visit, enter, and stay forever and a day In any country they like, then, as a Cruising Sailor I would happily sign that petition.

   Good riddance to Entry Procedures. No more, Q-Flags and visa fees, Anchorage fees, wharf fees, no more Bribes to officials to expedite my Zarpe, so I can get out of port to catch the Weather Window.

   One World, no borders, no laws or rules, just go and do whatever we like sounds great to me.

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      dave42w

      July 8, 2021

      “I came here for the Major boat Refit, but now it,s a Political Blog.”

      Everything is political. “Politics is the way that people living in groups make decisions.” from https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics

      The Blog title is “SUSTAINABLE SAILING: SUSTAINABLE: ENVIRONMENTALLY; FINANCIALLY; MENTALLY; PHYSICALLY”. The threat of life imprisonment for obeying International Law is pretty obviously not financially, mentally or physically compatible with sustainable sailing.

      “Ok I’ll bite. You say “This is one of a number of attacks on democracy””

      a) without evidence of voter fraud the government are bringing in new electoral laws. These will require ID that many poorer people do not have (7.5% of voters do not have a Photo Id, 24% have neither passport nor driving license) see https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/government-confirms-plans-for-elections-bill-including-making-it-harder-to-vote/

      b) the government have forced through new Policing legislation that removes almost all freedom to protest and also takes away the rights of travellers communities (eg Romany). You can be arrested if the Police believe you might be going to cause disruption. We have a documented history of Police racism and so like other Police powers this is likely to disproportionately minorities.

      c) the government recently changed the way education funding is allocated supposedly to help schools in more deprived areas. They called it “levelling up”. Yet the National Audit Office found that the policy shifted funding from deprived areas to wealthier areas: “Average per-pupil funding for the most-deprived fifth of schools fell in real terms between 2017-18 and 2021-21, but increased by 2.9% for the least-deprived fifth” https://www.civilserviceworld.com/news/article/deprived-schools-lost-out-under-levellingup-school-funding-reforms

      d) In Greater Manchester, where I live, the government imposed a strict lockdown for months more than other areas and without providing any extra funding to support. The results in a recent report were “Greater Manchester’s Covid death rate has been 25% higher than the rest of England during the pandemic … The study into the impact of the virus in the region also said life expectancy in north-west England declined more during 2020 than in England overall.

      The report says health inequalities in Greater Manchester have been exposed and amplified by the pandemic.” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57658479

      All of these are examples of a government elected by an unrepresentative system. In the last general election the Conservatives got 43.6% of the vote but an 80 seat overall majority in the house of Commons. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2019/results So much less than half the votes got them a very large majority in Parliament to implement policies that were not in their manifesto – so nobody outside the Government voted for any of these policies.

      “I am not a Britisher so please explain how a regulation put in place by a Democratically elected government to enforce their border security is an Attack on Democracy.”

      Again we have not had a democratic vote for these. The majority government did not get a majority of votes and this was not their policy at the time we last voted.

      If you read the article that I linked to you will see fuller legal explanations of how this legislation breaks International Law, things that we as a country are signed up for. This is not the first time this government have chosen to break International Law and treaties they have signed.

      This is not about border security. Our borders are not under threat. This is about xenophobia and demonisation of very vulnerable people.

      “I am assuming that people are trying to enter that country illegally, by bypassing the regular entry points and official border crossings.”

      These are asylum seekers and refugees. International Law does not allow a country to treat people differently depending on how they enter when fleeing for their lives.

      “Surely every country whether democratic, socialist, communist or whatever must be able to exercise control of their borders.”

      This is not about control of our borders. This is about criminalising both victims and those who help them.

      “You yourself, I assume live in a house. You want control of who enters your house.

      Your house has Walls, and fences, and perhaps doors and windows, and lockable gates out front.

      If I come to your house and climb over your locked Gate, scale the lattice and climb into your second story open window you would protest, or push the intruder off the ledge. However, if I knocked on your front door during daylight hours, and asked if I could come In to compliment t you on your lovely boat, then you may grant me entry or not, as you see fit.

      A country is like your house in that respect. They have borders which are walls, and if I sail to merry old England, I cannot legally just waltz into your country as I see fit, without asking for permission to do so, by essentially Knocking and asking permission.”

      There is no parallel. It is a false comparison and makes a number of false assumptions. Asylum seekers and refugees have rights, they are not breaking and entering, they are fleeing for their lives. We have signed up to International Treaties on these issues and these laws would break what we have signed up to.

      Note that the rights of Asylum Seekers and Refugees are specific and limited. Entry into a country doesn’t mean they have a rights to people’s property or even a guaranteed right to remain.

      So nobody here is suggesting that borders be abolished or that there be no immigration law. We are saying that the laws the UK pass need to be compliant with the international laws and treaties that we have signed up to. We are demanding that they respect Human rights and treat people humanely and with dignity.

      “Now if you would like to circulate a petition to the United Nations, that all border be abolished, so that those who travel In boats upon the Sea, should be able to just visit, enter, and stay forever and a day In any country they like, then, as a Cruising Sailor I would happily sign that petition.

      Good riddance to Entry Procedures. No more, Q-Flags and visa fees, Anchorage fees, wharf fees, no more Bribes to officials to expedite my Zarpe, so I can get out of port to catch the Weather Window.

      One World, no borders, no laws or rules, just go and do whatever we like sounds great to me.”

      What a ridiculous set of propositions that are complete straw men arguments. I have not suggested any of these things.

      However, at present if I obey International Law and rescue someone who is drowning then my government want to put me in prison for a minimum of 14 years and a maximum of life. That is wrong, it is anti democratic (and I mean that in terms of a modern democracy where citizens have rights).

      From your views I am assuming you are American. It does not seem that you are very aware of European Democracies, their values and their systems. On issues such as borders, international law and policing the US generally has a very poor reputation here.

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2. 

   Jocko

   July 10, 2021

   You say you assume I am American because of my views.

   I would think, most people In the world have pretty much the same, or similar views to mine, and I suspect you agree with my views as well.

   My view is that Individuals must respect other people’s personal, space, and boundaries, and not just assault you because they feel they want to or have a right to ignore those boundaries for their own selfish reasons.

   My view is that if you own a home, and the land it occupies, you have a reasonable expectation that if anyone wants to move into your home, you should have a say into whether or not they can just do so at will. My place, my rules seems to be the norm, so what is so exclusively American about that.

   Surely the Views of Europeans is not so different is it. Do Europeans just relocate to another home if they find that while they were at work, their house was taken over by a family of homeless people, who just moved in because they felt like doing so.

   Do the Europeans frown on some guy raping females maybe just because she looked hot, and he wanted to. I believe Americans have laws against it, in Europe it may be regarded as just a Backward American view?

   I think most people hold Similar views to mine, it’s just a matter of perspective, or framing I guess.

   Perhaps you as a Eurolean would be outraged if someone climbed over the your privacy fence, and picked your door locks, and was in your house uninvited, consuming your food and resources, and getting comfortable in your beds at night but you don’t mind if they do it to my place, or your country.

   I am not an American, but I would not criticize them for putting Laws, rules, regulations, and limits in place to govern who they allow to enter their country, for what reasons, and for how they can stay.

   Kind of Similar to House Rules you know. Their country their rules.

   As I said previously, I would sign a petition to abolish borders entirely, but until the provisions of that petition are adopted by the nation’s of the world, I will keep the walls of my house intact.

   However, just like the Americans, I have doors in my walls to welcome people in, at my discretion.

   Jocko

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      dave42w

      July 10, 2021

      Jocko,
      Apologies for guessing your nationality wrong.

      Country borders and personal property are not the same. The same arguments do not apply.
      Asylum seekers and refugees are not breaking into people’s homes. They are fleeing wars, famines and other terrible situations. They are fully supported in doing so by International law.
      It is International laws and treaties, that that UK is signed up for, that make it a legal requirement to try to rescue someone in distress at sea. The laws specifically say this includes asylum seekers and refugees.
      The UK is proposing laws that break International law.

      I repeat, this is not about people breaking into our homes but about people drowning at sea.

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3. 

   Jocko Melnik

   July 13, 2021

   Ones Country is one’s Home.

   https://www.change.org/p/j-k-rowling-petition-for-j-k-rowling-to-take-in-muslim-refugees-in-her-18-spare-bedrooms

   About 65000 people signed the above petition to ask why J.K doesn’t take the “Refugees” into her own home, and lands.

   She apparently had space to house over 25000 of the Migrants, but she took in exactly NONE.

   Not just the Uber Rich Rowling has locked Gates and sucurity Walls in place to keep her property from being invaded, but other Rich people are also refusing to fall for the scam.

   The rich do not want them, and do not want to pay for them, but they encourage others (the poor) to pay for the illegals.

   The Migrants are breaking into your country which is in fact your home, and they are doing so under false pretenses.

   They are almost entirely fake Refugees. They claim to be refugees because it is a loophole through which they can gain entry into a place they have no right to be.

   There are NGO’s who have coached the migrants in what words are necessary to say to hoodwink the immigration border guards.

   I agree that the government should rescue even lying Migrants from drowning, but they should process them at sea and return the scammers back to wherever they came from unless they can produce overwhelming evidence of who they are, where they came from, and that the country is engaged in war, and they should surrender all ofntheir homes, lands and property before being brought to land.

   If they refuse, then bring them back home, by boat, or by the plane load.

   I have no sympathy for people who do not respect other people’s property, and boundaries!

   They break into your home through the back window, and then force everyone who own the house to support the illegal home stealers forever with welfare.

   Those NGO ships who are ferrying the illegal Migrants into the country should have their ships confiscated, and their Homes confiscated, and should all be sent to prison for a minimum of 20 to a maximum of 40 years behind bars.

   I think many Americans would say, shoot them out of the water, but that is too harsh. I say process them offshore. Let them in under the above stringent regulagitions, but send them back if they fail to prove their case.

   If the fail then Fine Them, and fingerprint, photograph, and DNA sample each one, so they cannot subsequently gain entry if they apply through proper channels.

   Will you turn your boat or house over to the migrants or just insist that your fellow British pay for their upkeep, just as the Filthy Rich Rowling has done.

   I came for the refit, but this political stuff is more engaging.

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      dave42w

      July 13, 2021

      I have no intention of engaging with such a load of far right rubbish.

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4. 

   Jocko

   July 13, 2021

   I see that you now have my comments under moderation.

   I was not under moderation when I was commenting on the boat refit, but now you are moderating me.

   Why is that?

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      dave42w

      July 13, 2021

      I haven’t moderated you, I don’t check automated spam checks very often.

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